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Justin Mark Campbell ([personal profile] likefatherlikeson) wrote in [community profile] dreamlikenewyork2015-06-22 09:30 pm

"I love you enough to let you go."

Who: Justin Campbell, Mark Campbell, Gen Hart and Presley Monroe
What: Seeking purpose
Where: Presley's office
When: Monday morning

Justin still wasn't quite sure how he had gone from probably the best high of his life winning the Tony Award, to the low he had hit now. The shit with Will and Kolbie, and the whole fan issues, it had marred his happiness on his win and now the award was sitting on his bookshelf behind a pile of his schoolbooks. He couldn't be excited about it anymore. He didn't feel like he could be excited about anything. All he really wanted was to go to bed, pull the covers over his head, and shut the damn world out for awhile. Inside, he was aching and miserable. He felt like he had been hit by a bus. Which is exactly why this meeting was happening.

It wasn't scheduled initially. Presley had invited Justin to speak briefly at one of the New York events, and he had left the ball in Justin's court. That was one of the things Justin had been considering when the shit with Will hit the fan. When his dad had taken him to the beach - after he had finished bawling his eyes out over breaking up with Will - they chatted and Justin had told his dad he didn't want to do the speech for the Foundation. It had only boiled down to the fact he was exhausted and emotionally wrecked, so adding something else on top of it felt like it would be the straw that broke the camels back.

Instead of just letting him pull the plug, his dad offered to speak with Presley on his behalf about what ways Justin could help if he chose to be involved with the charity. In turn, Presley warmly welcomed Justin and his parents to come meet with him at his office where it would be an open conversation about any facet of the organisation and what it was involved in. Justin didn't have to make any choices, and he there was no pressure. So, here they were, waiting in Presley's office for the guy to arrive.

Justin knew a little about the Foundation. In fact, he had been offered support from it when he had been diagnosed with bipolar and had to quit school. Kalen had liaised on that front for him, but ultimately a personal tutor for homeschooling was agreed upon and Justin hadn't wanted to take help away from someone else who might need it when he was lucky to have plenty of financial security now his dad was taking care of him. He was sitting in between his parents, looking down at his lap with his shoulders slumped. It wasn't that he didn't want to be here, it was just that his mood had plummeted over the last couple of days and he felt stuck under a heavy weight he couldn't shift. He couldn't even go home to bed after this, because Caden wanted to meet with him to talk about something to do with PR... whatever the hell that could be.
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[personal profile] aussielawyer 2015-06-22 10:59 am (UTC)(link)
Mark had an arm resting around his son's shoulders so he could know he at least had some moral support. Maybe it was Father's Day yesterday, and fathers all around the joint were doing their dad thing and being spoiled. For Mark, his kid had needed him so he took him away from the city to a nice, relatively quiet beach where they sat and talked for part of the time, or just sat in silence together at others. In the evening, Ali, Andrew, Sunshine and Jack had come around for a joint family dinner, which was nice, but Justin was in bed by about 7.30. That was okay too. Part of the true spirit of Father's Day was realising that being a dad was being whatever your kids needed you to be, and understanding that sometimes, stuff was just really hard.

They had Sunshine sleeping over for the night, and after watching the Little Mermaid, she was out like a light too. He wouldn't have wanted it any other way. Once he and Gen were alone, he filled her in on some of the things Justin had talked to him about throughout the day and he did a bit of looking up flights. It would be First Class, of course, but even moreso now they had a kid that got airsick so the more comfortable they could be the better. He hadn't discussed the chance of going to Australia with Justin yet. He was waiting until both Presley and Caden talked the logistics out with Justin first. Not only did Caden have interest in developing Footloose in Australia, but he wanted to sponsor an Aussie theatre kid to come to Broadway and work in Masterclasses for a few weeks with his Broadway leads, with a part in a chorus... likely Footloose, considering Justin was half Australian. So, Justin could speak with hopeful late teen/early twenties young people who would apply to win the opportunity. It was some very positive developments that would be fantastic experience for Justin, and Mark thought they would be healthy for his son's mind, all things considered. But in between them, Justin was flat and silent. He had barely said two words all morning, and he didn't look like he had slept a wink. Though, anyone who had experienced it knew how painful a broken heart, and this was the first time Justin was really experiencing that. Something a father couldn't stop, no matter how much he wished he could.
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[personal profile] asskickingblahniks 2015-06-22 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
There was no denying for Gen that sometimes she was in shock that she was a mother. It wasn't something she had planned for when she was younger, though Paris told her sometimes that he'd always known she'd make a wonderful mother some day, because she had pretty much been a mother to him from the time their own mom passed away, lost to cancer. Gen had always liked to believe she was tough and hardassed, but it had proven true that she had a soft heart and a nurturing nature. It had been what ultimately led to her wanting a baby with Mark, which wasn't meant to be, but turned out for the best anyway. Being Justin's mom was more than enough for her, and she treasured it with all her heart.

And now here they were, talking with Presley Monroe about the chances of Justin working with his organization, a charity that worked with people with mental illnesses. It was something that obviously had a reason to be near and dear to all of their hearts, and Gen was proud that Justin still wanted to be involved, even if right now, he was struggling with his first breakup. Gen and Mark worried about him the whole night before, because they'd been able to hear him crying when they walked down the hall to check on him. They were both worried, knowing what he was going through on the breakup level, but not even coming close to being able to fully understand the other feelings and issues involved. Gen patted Justin's arm gently, preparing to listen to what Presley had to say.
Edited 2015-06-22 19:09 (UTC)
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[personal profile] moneyfornothing 2015-06-23 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Presley wasn't at all a difficult person to get along with or deal with. It had always been his natural personality and it had served him well in his philanthropic pursuits. To be successful in the charitable industry he was in, you had to be approachable and friendly, or people weren't going to back you for funding to appropriate the projects you had in the works. But the biggest part of Presley's job that he loved in the organisation he had developed in his mom's name was meeting the young people they helped along the way. Justin wasn't one of them, but what he had inadvertently become was a face for young people with mental illness who still achieved success despite the challenges. That was something Presley felt could both help the organisation, and help Justin feel like he had a way to channel his appreciation for what he had achieved.

Thankfully, Justin's dad had briefly filled Presley in on some of the battles Justin had faced because of - and with - bipolar. And he had given Presley a head's up that Justin may be in the middle of an episode, so time would tell what the outcome of this meeting would be. It could go either way, and whatever outcome it had, Presley would respect. Mental illness was a tough gig, to say the very least. Sometimes, people dealing with it might not have the motivation to do anything but pee and sleep. He had just been finishing up a phone call down the hall before he rushed into the meeting he was running a couple of minutes late for. "Good morning, I'm sorry I kept you waiting. Some investors like to be verbose when they're signing away their hard-earned interest revenue," he said with a smile and came up to them, holding his hand out to Justin first. "It's nice to meet you, Justin. I'm Presley. I've been looking forward to having a bit of a chat with you all. But I just want you to know before we kick off that I am in no one banking on you coming aboard, or have any intention of making you feel obligated to take up any of my offers. This is simply because Justin's had the admirable courage to speak out about his fight, and a lot of the people we are supporting currently have expressed sheer admiration for his open honesty. They want to look up to him as a figurehead of being able to achieve despite being ill, and that's what our organisation is all about."
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[personal profile] aussielawyer 2015-06-23 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Mark had only managed to get to reading up a little on Presley's history. His academic credentials were extremely impressive, and there was no question to why the organisation was successful. Mostly Mark had just done some digging to make sure the charity was reputable, and it turned out it was a a vast organisation with offices over the globe, and the events held here in New York were always successful and populated with those business people who wanted to give to charity. In fact, if all this went well, Mark and Gen planned to donate a substantial amount themselves, their own companies always having been interested in charity. Now all this was a very real thing for them, and even if they were still learning every day how to be a supportive parent to a kid who was mentally ill, they were both financially sturdy and many other families in the same boat as they were with a sick kid weren't.

"Thanks for agreeing to meet with us," Mark returned warmly to Presley. "Justin's been a bit nervous about whether he has what it takes to pull off the things you might like him to do, so we're really just here for back-up in case he can't remember what's been discussed. The time and commitment would be an important factor. He also expressed concern about what would happen if he was scheduled to do something, but couldn't make it if he was ill. He's already feeling quite pressured with life's demands right now. It's been a tough few months."
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[personal profile] asskickingblahniks 2015-06-23 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Gen didn't jump right into the conversation, aside from giving Presley a warm smile and introducing herself. She had to admit to herself, being able to say, "I'm Justin's mom," was one of her favorite things in the world. No matter how sick he might be or what his mood was or where he was with things, she was incredibly proud of him and grateful that he was her son. Fuck the bitch who gave birth to him. She would never be a mom. Being a mom meant hugging your kid when he wasn't feeling well, making sure he ate when he was so upset that it wasn't on his radar to do so. That cunt wasn't a mother. Instead, she just listened. Gen was a pretty astute observer of people, and she liked to think she was pretty good at gathering people's intentions early on. She often teased Mark that she knew from the moment he walked into her office that he wanted to fuck her. It was something they laughed at, but Gen did have a pretty good radar for people's character and intentions.

It was times like these that Gen was incredibly grateful for her husband. Mark was not only an amazing husband and attorney, but he was the kind of father that she was more than happy to share parenting duties with. There had been a time that their marriage had nearly ended because she didn't know how to deal with Justin coming into their lives. But now that things were as they were, she wouldn't trade it for anything. Her own family, Paris and her father, were incredibly supportive, and had taken to both Mark and Justin. It had been a shock for them all when Gen had gotten married in Vegas to the attorney for their company, but things truly had turned out for the best as far as she was concerned, and she wasn't complaining for a moment about how it had gone down. But when Justin was really ill, and struggling, it hurt like hell. She could remember times she called her dad and he told her that you never stopped hurting for your kids... it was as simple as that. It was especially poignant given that Gen wasn't her dad's biological daughter, either, but had been raised as such. It had never mattered to either of them. What was important was that they loved each other just as much either way. When Gen finally spoke up, it was mostly to agree with Mark. "We all know that Justin has a demanding schedule as is. And we also know that working with charities can be pretty demanding stuff. Worthwhile, but definitely demanding."
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[personal profile] moneyfornothing 2015-06-24 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Presley didn't at all mind the fact Justin was asking questions right of the bat. It meant that, despite the fact he wasn't 100% well right now, he was still willing to engage Presley in conversation and there was an interest there. Presley knew quite distinctly how someone with bipolar could completely disengage in life, and everything around them. He had seen it numerous times with his mum. He took a seat at his desk and located the leaflets and flyers he had about his organisation, and what support and programs they were able to offer young people with mental illness and handed them over so they could all have the information to read later and take in more. "I've attached my card there too with all my contact details. You can call anytime you need. Even if I can't pick up, I'll get back in touch as soon as I can. To answer the easy questions first... All we would want from Justin is what he wants to - and can - give. We don't put any of our representatives in a place they can't cope with. I'll be honest here, I think, Justin, you're a wonderful possibility as an ambassador for our organisation. What that means is you are someone who has been there, you know what the struggles are like, and you would be in a position speak about being in that dark place with your illness, yet overcoming it to work and be successful with the right help and support. Which is what we are helping young people with mental health with. We fund various programs and support systems so they have help in achieving the ambitions they have and thought they can no longer achieve. Or even those who have never had the ability to form ambitions, we have people who can work with them to set some goals for themselves and nurture talents they have that the illness may have drowned out. All we would hope from Justin was to promote those aims, and share with people how his illness was able to be balanced with enjoying life again. That's the epitome of why I started this organisation. There's no timeframe or limit we would expect of him. Just being an example the young people can identify with. The impact of that can be incredible for them. Young people search out idols to admire and aspire to be. I would wager a bet Kevin Bacon is that for you, Justin?" he guessed with a smile.

He paused, because Justin's questions were a lot harder than the information his parents were seeking. He shook his head. "But no, I don't have a mental illness myself. But my mother had bipolar. She went quite a few years undiagnosed because she lived and worked in Vegas, and there, everything is fast moving. Her manic episodes were skewed, no one recognised the signs. She certainly didn't. But once she was diagnosed after a distinctly impacting episode on our lives, she was controlled with medication. Though, she fell into the trap of figuring if she felt good, she must be getting better and stopped taking the medication. Once she did that, it was hard to get her back onto it because the side effects are tough, and they take awhile to work again. Without getting into any details right of the bat, but I would be comfortable sharing if you wanted me to, she committed suicide within weeks of my finishing my Masters degree and returning to New York to live. Even though we all knew she was ill, and she had a history of self-harm, this all still felt very sudden. There was no warning, she just did it."
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[personal profile] aussielawyer 2015-06-24 12:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Mark literally did a slight double-take at how quickly his eldest child agreed to this and with quite a resolve. It was impossible to miss that. Justin hadn't agreed to anything this easily in the whole time Mark knew him. From what he had discussed with Justin's maternal grandparents, Justin had always been guarded, lacking trust, not willing to do anything unless he had the control in the situation, holding people at arm's length. These were all common traits of child abuse victims, which was a subject Mark had come to do extensive research on. He did this in his own private time, so Justin didn't need to feel like he was some sort of lab rat being studied and analysed. Mark did it because this was his son and he needed to understand as much as he possible could about him, and everything he had been through, so he could be the parent parent for him he could. He had spent far too fucking long with his head up his own arse, making bad decisions, being selfish. Now his kids and his family were his priority. No, he hadn't seen any of this with Justin coming. No, none of it was easy. But this was still a kid he had made, and now it was his responsibility to take care of Justin in the best way possible, and that had meant a hell of a lot of learning about him as time went on. A lot was trial and error with Justin, and that was a hard lesson that anyone close to the kid had to be learning along the way. Most recently with Will, and not it seemed like Justin would honour Presley with the trust to at least begin to learn about him to work with him. Like he had with Caden. When Justin made these choices, they were from a very protected place inside his heart very, very few we exposed to.

It also dawned upon Mark at this moment listening to Justin's seemingly snap decision (but knowing it was far from that) was how Justin shared some similarities with Gen. Gen was a huge charity supporter in her own right. Both her and Paris were, and they had donated piles of cash to breast cancer charities to honour their mom now they found success like she had believed they could. More recently, Gen had even stepped that up a notch to include personally selected eating disorder charities now she had been reconnecting with Ajay. This was a thread not every human had. It was something innate and truly special. Presley was obviously an admirable entrepreneur for charity, Gen was a huge supporter, and now here was Justin, not even hesitating in wanting to accept this offer to do his part for the cause he was so intimately attached to just from hearing Presley's painful story. Fuck, no matter how hard things got with Justin, and how much of a fight it frequently was with him, Mark was bursting with pride here. This was his son. He made this amazing person, and lost so much time with him. "Of course it goes without saying that anything Justin wants to be attached to, you would have Gen and mine's complete support also. It would usually be one or the other of us, if not both, who would accompany him to things where he's feeling out of his comfort zone, just to make sure there's someone there if it gets overwhelming for him. Which can happen sometimes. His diagnosis was relatively recent, so we're all still adjusting to it... most of all Justin."
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[personal profile] asskickingblahniks 2015-06-24 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
When Presley was explaining to Justin why he'd started the charity in the first place, Gen was watching Justin carefully. It was something both she and Mark did without even realizing it most of the time, because being Justin's parents came with its share of worries and concerns. Any parent worried, but the parents of a child with a mental illness worried that much more. Presley's story of his mom was an all-too-real reminder of what had nearly happened to Justin, and still had the possibility of happening in the future. They couldn't deny that it was something that they always had to be aware of. When Justin was doing well, it was too easy to get caught up in that. But they had to be aware that his good times weren't ever going to be forever anymore than the bad ones. But it was their job to watch and protect him.

But then Justin was agreeing, then and there, to help Presley's charity in any way that he could, and Gen couldn't help the feeling of pride rising up inside of her. Justin was a good kid, and even when he was sick, there was a part of him that cared so incredibly deeply about other people. He knew that being having bipolar disorder and still being successful made him someone that kids like himself looked up to and saw hope in. "Mark's right. Anything that Justin supports, we're going to be supporting, too. He's our first priority, and he always will be, because he's our son. And as Mark said, it's a new thing, and we're all finding our feet with it. In the grand scheme, Justin hasn't even been a part of our lives for that long, but we're more than grateful to have him with us now and get to have him as part of our lives every day now. Mark and I will gladly be doing whatever we can to help with things, too. If a charity means enough to Justin to get him involved, then we want to be a part of it, too." She gave Justin a comforting smile. It had been a rough time for him, his relationship to Will, at least for the time being, ending, and struggling with the fact that being upset and having a bad go of things with his illness could sometimes be interrelated, but he didn't want his choices to always be chalked up to being manic. He'd broken up with Will because he thought it was the right thing to do, and to insinuate that it was just because he was manic was hurtful, and indicated that he wasn't able to make choices others might disagree with because it probably just meant that his illness was in a bad place. These were things that everyone was still having to learn, and it was no easy process by any stretch of the imagination. "We kind of all come as a team, for better or worse."
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[personal profile] moneyfornothing 2015-06-26 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Presley gave them a small smile and nodded. "Thank you. We appreciate any support, of course. But I don't want you to feel it's an obligation for Justin working with us. We wouldn't turn any donations away, however. The more we have, the more extensive support we can give our beneficiaries. Some just need a little help or encouragement, but others need much more to get them to a point they can start to achieve what they've hoped for. It's not easy, it's emotionally taxing, and a lot of hard work. Because of that, we don't like to measure our effectiveness on whether our beneficiaries have success or not. That's not what any of this is about. It's about trying to see if they can cope with it. Some thrive, others aren't ready and they might come back to us down the track to try again. Others may begin the process, but it exposes a need for support in different ways, and we have social workers who step in and liaise for them. Case work is another distinct part of our organisation. Basically, we respect that every young person with mental illness is different, and they're all fighting very unique battles to them. It's not like a cancer foundation where most funds go into research or developing facilities. We do a lot of outreach work, because the nature of the illnesses, they don't often know how to ask for help, know what helps is there, feel they're deserving of it, or are capable of having any sort of success. That's mostly where I would like Justin to be involved in the campaign. Reaching out to people like him before he got a leg up to success. That doesn't mean we will be sending him out there trying to counsel other kids with mental health, because we don't, at all, want it to be detrimental to his own health either. What I would like to look at is some baseline interviews with him we can include in our promotional literature, and just some very brief talks addressing our events so our beneficiaries can identify with him, and our financial backers can see how far a kid can come with support networks in place."

"And yes, of course, anything Justin is present at, there would be no questions that you would both be invited along. As I said, I'm not here to make his job or life harder. It is merely bringing him in onto our team as an Ambassador, because let's be real, his Tony's speech has gone viral and about the third return on a Google search of him is 'Justin Campbell bipolar' because people want to know more. They see this highly successful and talented young man, and can't quite believe he's a bipolar survivor. We don't want to objectify that, we just want him to be a figurehead of hope. Any even Justin books, if he needs to pull out, that's understandable. We recognise and understand completely that he has other more important commitments that come first and that his hours of work are restricted because of his age to begin with. Some appearances or events a couple of times a month, at the very most. That, and the pending fundraiser in Sydney next week," he added because he wasn't sure how much of any of this Justin was aware of. "It's soon, I understand, but your dad indicated, Justin, that it wasn't outwith the realms of possibility for it to be your first even with us, especially with you being half Australian."
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[personal profile] aussielawyer 2015-06-27 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
Mark gave Justin's back a few soft reassuring pats, just to show him that he wasn't in this alone. Sure, being a parent in this situation was tough and Mark knew he had fucked up a lot along the way in the learning process. He fell off the wagon himself, and now it was a constant struggle to stay away from the bottle himself. But with everything he did in his life, he was a father above and beyond all else. His two kids needed parenting in very different ways, and Justin needed constant support and help to be able to simply live his life. It was a volatile life he had the ability to put an end to all-too-easily and they had to keep remembering that. "Justin's had a rough road with finding a medication regime that works for him. There's been times it seems to have been working, and then it bottoms-out again. He's on lithium, effexor and clozapine at the moment, which is a heavy regime, but his manic episodes have reduced significantly."

He was really proud of Justin for speaking openly with Presley. Presley knew his stuff. It was clear he had researched plenty to have an understanding of mental illness and how it affected people. There was also the first-hand experience with losing his mum, which had to have been one of the hardest things the poor lad had to ever experience. That wasn't something you could wish on anyone. "Justin's only had one psychotic episode that we're aware of. There may have been others in the past, but we don't want to assume anything. It's basically a forgone conclusion that his court case will be dismissed as it was an act of self-defence and the other guy has a long list of atrocious crimes he is going to be tried for. Justin's included. But he does also have recurring suicidal ideation, and there have been attempts. He also has a history of self-harm. He's working on calling for help if it happens, and everyone around him know the signs to be aware of so they can alert us if they're concerned. However, in all honesty, he's just a kid who has been through some horrific things that sometimes drags him down and makes him feel miserable. He doesn't always know how to cope with it, so we're all working on ways to work with him to help him."